
I have to agree particularly your last statement, W. I think though that
in so many ways we are trying so hard to live up to the standards that our
parents and grandparents of the "Greatest Generation" set for us. We do
owe that generation much, and because of them the access to a formal
education has become easier. We are now educated because the society our
parents and grandparents built requires that we be educated in some degree.
This sentiment can be problematic for the very reasons you mentioned. An
education does not necessary denote skill or intelligence nor does it
guarantee a job or career. As socialist as I like to think I am, I am very
disillusioned by society's and the goverment's standards on education and
the ability to work in an enviroment suiting a person's skills and
intelligence. Is the idea of what is good for some, good for all? How do
we fix this attitude? Who the hell knows? I would suppose it is the
responsibility of every generation to find their own way and try not to
burden the next generation...but that is my own naivete speaking.
Ah yes, I'm currently looking for a new job without a degree and it sucks
much ass. I need to suck it up and play the game, because right now the
trend in hiring is for a education vs. experience route. I understand this
to a degree, but without a "degree" I'm expected to take a 30% pay
reduction? Fuck, I am. :D *Cheers*
Hmm, do people without degrees get a 30 percent discount on everything we
buy? Equal pay for equal work, you know.
Very interesting post W. I don't know, working in HR, I've seen the whole
no degree-no future in action. Applicants aren't even considered if the
job requires a degree and they don't have it, no matter how many years of
experience someone might have.
I started writing a comment... which turned into a book ... so I deleted
LOL here is the succinct version .. we're not the only generation like
that - they're saying our kids won't do as well as us ... which means we're
on a downward spiral? Not sure. My ma was well educated for her day (high
school but a convent school, considerd an excellent education - her da said
no to university, she was a "girl"), my da had two degrees but did lousy -
he was a bright man and an absoulutely brutal businessman ... my sister
didn' teven have highschool and is now a director of her company - hates
the jobs, super stress but good pay and prestige, my youngset sister just
went back to school after picking up courses allher life- finished her
speech therapist degree and went up in salary $50,000 - I went the
opposite- 2 degrees, then dropped $50,000 when i took a typing job
(basically) when my first kid was born 20 years ago ... career I had and
kids didn't mix and something had to give.
I have been keeping my eyes open for a job in the animal/pet industry. The
other day I found what I thought would be the perfect job! It was for a
groomer apprentice (their fancy name for a dog bather) at Petsmart. When I
went to apply they wanted to know how far I have gone in my education.
Since I had only gone as far as high school and taken some mail order
classes, I answered “High School Graduate”. At the same time I was filling
out my application, a young girl came in to fill one out too. I was sitting
close enough that I could kind of read her application. She was in college
and looked like she was writing a novel in the space provided for
education. I went to turn my application in to the manager and pleasantly
asked when I could get an interview. He looked over my application briefly
and told me they will be calling people in a few days. I had some shopping
to do there so I didn’t leave right away. The other girl gave her
application to the manager and I herd her ask about getting an interview.
He looked over her application, and then led her to his office for an
interview on the spot! Do they really think you need a higher education to
bathe dogs?
Interesting post W. I can relate to your psychologically middle
class/financially working class view. I've noticed where I work they treat
their most experienced, loyal workers harder (poorly) than they treat a
college attending upstart. What the higher ups don't seem to notice is
that the upstarts don't work as hard or want to learn because they don't
plan on being there long enough to be part of the long term work team.
It's just a couple of bucks on their way to bigger bucks. The values are
screwy.